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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:19 AM
Subject: indesign Digest #638
> InDesign Talk Digest #638
>
> 1) Re: zero k fonts
> by "Bob Levine" <rjlevine@verizon.net>
> 2) Re: zero k fonts
> by Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> 3) Re: zero k fonts
> by Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> 4) Re: zero k fonts
> by Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio <frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> 5) Re: zero k fonts
> by Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> 6) Re: zero k fonts
> by Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio <frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> 7) Re: Cobbler looking for tips on how to keep his kids well-shod
> by Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> 8) Re: CS4 saving files 1st time
> by Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> 9) Re: zero k fonts
> by Bret Perry <bperry@russreid.com>
> 10) Down in Front
> by Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> 11) Table Embossing
> by "Jason C. Roberts" <shockjay@gmail.com>
> 12) Re: Table Embossing
> by Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> 13) Re: Down in Front
> by Keith Feltham <kgf@westnet.com.au>
> 14) Re: Down in Front
> by Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> 15) Re: Table Embossing
> by "James W. Bogart Jr." <j.bogartjr@mchsi.com>
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> From: "Bob Levine" <rjlevine@verizon.net>
> In-reply-to: <list-9165935@mail2.starmark.com>
> Subject: RE: zero k fonts
> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:42:59 -0400
> Message-id: <010a01cb33d2$987479b0$c95d6d10$@net>
>
> Typical result of Windows looking at Mac font files.
>
> Two points...always use OpenType and Never send a font to anyone unless
> the
> EULA allows it. You wouldn't send them a copy of Photoshop or InDesign,
> would you?
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: InDesign Talk [mailto:indesign@lists.lassosoft.com] On Behalf Of Kat
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: InDesign Talk
> Subject: zero k fonts
>
> Earlier this year I uploaded fonts to an ftp. Client emailed me later that
> the fonts were zero k. I remembered something about not emailing fonts
> because they'd corrupt, so zipped the fonts which seemed to work.
>
> But once again I uploaded fonts to the same ftp, then checked font size,
> all
> zero k. So I zipped and uploaded and also emailed the zip to the client.
>
> Is zero fonts is a common problem, or if I upgraded my ftp program
> Transmit
> would solve my zero fonts issue?
>
> Kathleen McGuinness
>
> McGraphics Design
> Creative Design Solutions for Print and Web
> (626) 799-2195
> South Pasadena, CA 91030
> http://www.mcgraphics.us
>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: zero k fonts
> From: Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9166728@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:52:08 -0700
> Message-Id: <0F2D6278-9121-436C-A16D-AC06468B57A0@mcgraphics.us>
>
> Same thing happens when I burn fonts in a packaged font folder to a DVD > using Toast. But I just downloaded the zipped fonts folder from the > client's ftp, and they are 315 k, so fonts are ok.
>
> It's weird because this only happened this last year and the fonts are > part of the indd package folder. Originally the fonts came from the > client.
>
> kat
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Marlene wrote:
>
>> Do you mean the zipped font files worked -- client was able to unzip > them and end up with functional font files? If so, just keep zippin' > 'em.
>>
>> Marlene
>>
>> On 8/3/2010 9:42 PM, Kat wrote:
>>> Earlier this year I uploaded fonts to an ftp. Client emailed me later > that the fonts were zero k. I remembered something about not emailing > fonts because they'd corrupt, so zipped the fonts which seemed to work.
>>>
>>> But once again I uploaded fonts to the same ftp, then checked font > size, all zero k. So I zipped and uploaded and also emailed the zip to > the client.
>>>
>>> Is zero fonts is a common problem, or if I upgraded my ftp program > Transmit would solve my zero fonts issue?
>>>
>>> Kathleen McGuinness
>>>
>>> McGraphics Design
>>> Creative Design Solutions for Print and Web
>>> (626) 799-2195
>>> South Pasadena, CA 91030
>>> http://www.mcgraphics.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: zero k fonts
> From: Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9166331@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:54:31 -0700
> Message-Id: <B5FC1271-72AD-4AEB-8626-E2D64CC94CCF@mcgraphics.us>
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:23 PM, arths wrote:
>
>> FTP protocol won't handle the resource forks. All you have send was > the data fork, which, for most of the fonts is 0 bytes.
>>
>> The archived fonts via mail or a torrent
> What is a torrent? Zipped fonts do work. Why can't I burn the fonts to a > DVD the way I could before last year?
> kat
>> could work better.
>>
>> Paul C.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/2010 4:42 AM, Kat wrote:
>>> Earlier this year I uploaded fonts to an ftp. Client emailed me later > that the fonts were zero k. I remembered something about not emailing > fonts because they'd corrupt, so zipped the fonts which seemed to work.
>>>
>>> But once again I uploaded fonts to the same ftp, then checked font > size, all zero k. So I zipped and uploaded and also emailed the zip to > the client.
>>>
>>> Is zero fonts is a common problem, or if I upgraded my ftp program > Transmit would solve my zero fonts issue?
>>>
>>> Kathleen McGuinness
>>>
>>> McGraphics Design
>>> Creative Design Solutions for Print and Web
>>> (626) 799-2195
>>> South Pasadena, CA 91030
>>> http://www.mcgraphics.us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:43:58 +0100
> Subject: Re: zero k fonts
> From: Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio <frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> Message-ID: <C87F575D.3ACFB%frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9169492@mail2.starmark.com>
>
> Il giorno 4-08-2010 16:54, Kat ha scritto:
>
>> What is a torrent?
> Is a kind of file sharing system.
> Not really what you need (methinks) but, in case interested, Google for
> "torrent file sharing" and check the free Transmission Mac torrent client:
> http://www.transmissionbt.com/
>
>> Zipped fonts do work. Why can't I burn the fonts to a DVD
>> the way I could before last year?
> It might depend on the DVD format you're using.
>
> While some format retains the Mac-related data (e.g. the data/resource
> fork
> structure), some format may discard it.
> With Toast, in the left bar you can choose "Mac Only" or "Mac & PC"
> formats,
> to be sure - I don't know about "DVD-ROM (UDF)".
> "ISO 9660" would almost certainly lose the Mac-specific data.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: zero k fonts
> From: Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9169686@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:56:10 -0700
> Message-Id: <1165B4D0-7F26-40C6-BF76-E1B1C0EE0063@mcgraphics.us>
>
> Thanks so much, the Toast info helps. This last round was the first time > I'd burned a DVD instead of a CD for the client. I'll check my DVD > formats when burning.
>
> Data forks, which Paul mentioned sounds right, but I'm still don't > understand why the problem uploading fonts to ftp when I've been > uploading fonts successfuly for years to the client's ftp.
>
> kat
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio wrote:
>
>> Il giorno 4-08-2010 16:54, Kat ha scritto:
>>
>>> What is a torrent?
>> Is a kind of file sharing system.
>> Not really what you need (methinks) but, in case interested, Google > for
>> "torrent file sharing" and check the free Transmission Mac torrent > client:
>> http://www.transmissionbt.com/
>>
>>> Zipped fonts do work. Why can't I burn the fonts to a DVD
>>> the way I could before last year?
>> It might depend on the DVD format you're using.
>>
>> While some format retains the Mac-related data (e.g. the data/resource > fork
>> structure), some format may discard it.
>> With Toast, in the left bar you can choose "Mac Only" or "Mac & PC" > formats,
>> to be sure - I don't know about "DVD-ROM (UDF)".
>> "ISO 9660" would almost certainly lose the Mac-specific data.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:03:20 +0100
> Subject: Re: zero k fonts
> From: Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio <frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> Message-ID: <C87F5BE7.3ACFF%frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9169749@mail2.starmark.com>
>
> Il giorno 4-08-2010 17:56, Kat ha scritto:
>
>> Data forks, which Paul mentioned sounds right, but I'm still don't
>> understand
>> why the problem uploading fonts to ftp when I've been uploading fonts
>> successfuly for years to the client's ftp.
>
> Maybe they changed their OS / software / platform /hosting / provider, for
> the FTP service.
>
> Some system may work differently than another (like being case-sensitive
> or
> not, or Mac-friendly or not).
> Internet systems/servers based on Mac, Windows or Linux solutions, may
> behave somehow differently, AFAIK.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Cobbler looking for tips on how to keep his kids well-shod
> From: Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9164698@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:56:22 -0700
> Message-Id: <CF22E070-210C-4DC6-9EA4-0970374389D5@mcgraphics.us>
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 10:53 AM, Michael Brady wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Jules Siegel wrote:
>>
>>> That's why I gave up on Dreamweaver and now use WordPress wherever > possible.
>>
>> I've decided to make a Design blog on my own site, which I can update > faster.
> That's a great idea. Let me know when it is up. I'd lit to see it.
> kat
>> I'll change the big site annually.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: CS4 saving files 1st time
> From: Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9164220@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:00:00 -0700
> Message-Id: <E5EC1E5F-4A99-49A7-8993-9848A28D99C2@mcgraphics.us>
>
>>
>> Hi Rosie,
>> i'm using Default Folder X on my Mac to avoid this kind of problem=85
>> http://www.stclairsoft.com/DefaultFolderX/
>>
>> Have a good day
>> Christophe Dh=E9lin
>
> Me, too for DefaultFolder. I've got a list of shortcuts, but since I've > used the same DefaultFolder prefs for years most are memorized.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Bret Perry <bperry@russreid.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:30:30 -0400
> Subject: RE: zero k fonts
> Message-ID:
> <8F10B75EDEA71A4BA14AEB2B03BA46BE3BB33B8ECC@NPG-EXCH-EVS1.npg.ms>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9165935@mail2.starmark.com>
>
> Kat, just realized you are only a few miles from me! (I'm at Colorado and
> L> ake)
>
> Yep, for FTP, if it's not a .jpeg, zip it! ;-)
> Mac Truetype fonts and Mac Postscript Type 1 fonts are not suitable for
> FTP> without compressing them first.
> As mentioned, that is because they have essentially only a Resource fork,
> a> nd most FTP servers do not recognize resource forks, only see the Data
> fork> .
>
> If the FTP server DOES see resource forks (i.e. It's a Mac), then setting
> y> our FTP client to Binary might allow them ... but not likely.
> With e-mail, the e-mail client will often "zip" the files "secretly" (send
> > Windows-friendly attachments) and therefore e-mail can work better.
>
> Opentype (.otf), Windows Truetype (.TTF), Windows Truetype font
> collections> (.ttc) and all windows fonts (I think) work fine in FTP (no resource
> fork)> .
> Many of Mac's System fonts and most "new" fonts use one of these "windows"
> > formats, so they will FTP ok.
> So would a Mac .dfont (Data-fork font) -- but those are not intended for
> pr> ess.
>
> As others have commented, Mac font files burned to a cross-platform DVD/CD
> > will appear to be 0k on a Windows PC, even if the disk WAS made correctly.
> As long as it was burned cross-platform (Mac/PC) the fonts should still be
> > there and will be fine on a Mac. (But you can't copy them or do anything
> wi> th them on the Windows PC). If you use a PC-only format, older Mac fonts
> wi> ll not work.
>
> I rarely think about it, I just zip everything I am FTPing or
> e-mailing. --> except jpegs, PDFs, eps (yuk), and pure text files don't need it, but I
> zi> p 'em anyway.
> No worries then.
>
> No, an upgrade to your FTP client would not help.
> Once all your fonts are upgraded to Opentype -- that would help.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: InDesign Talk [mailto:indesign@lists.lassosoft.com] On Behalf Of Kat
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: InDesign Talk
> Subject: zero k fonts
>
> Earlier this year I uploaded fonts to an ftp. Client emailed me later that
> > the fonts were zero k. I remembered something about not emailing fonts
> beca> use they'd corrupt, so zipped the fonts which seemed to work.
>
> But once again I uploaded fonts to the same ftp, then checked font size,
> al> l zero k. So I zipped and uploaded and also emailed the zip to the
> client.>
>
> Is zero fonts is a common problem, or if I upgraded my ftp program
> Transmit> would solve my zero fonts issue?
>
> Kathleen McGuinness
>
> McGraphics Design
> Creative Design Solutions for Print and Web
> (626) 799-2195
> South Pasadena, CA 91030
> http://www.mcgraphics.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Down in Front
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 18:00:14 -0400
> Message-Id: <25B40F5E-44BE-41E5-9AA6-5946746F7BF1@embarqmail.com>
>
> No, actually, up in front!
>
> IDCS5
>
> I've noticed this annoying little behavior. I'm not sure whether it's > some secret hush-hush setting that I haven't discovered, or whether it's > a UI bug.
>
> If I select the rear object of two stacked objects and then click on the > front object that overlaps the back object (i.e., within the selection > of teh back object), ID will not switch and select the front object. I > have to click on any part of the front object that extends beyond the > back object. If the front object if completely within the boundaries of > the back object, I have to unselect the back one first. That's just a > grrrrr.
>
>
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> Michael Brady
> michaelb@michaelbradydesign.com
> http://thinkinglikeadesigner.blogspot.com/
> Twitter: @typehuile
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-brady/9/936/572
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/typehuile
>
> "Thinking Like a Designer" is now available at
> https://www.createspace.com/3462255 or http://snipurl.com/z43se
>
> Attend the Communication Central conference "Finding Your > Niche/Expanding Your Horizons"
> October 1 and 2, Rochester, NY. www.communication-central.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message-ID:<1664372917-1280962738-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1575942413-@bda043.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
> Reply-To: shockjay@gmail.com
> Subject: Table Embossing
> From: "Jason C. Roberts" <shockjay@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:58:49 +0000
>
> Is it possible to emboss a table in CS3?
> Jason C. Roberts
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Table Embossing
> From: Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9171110@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:02:11 -0400
> Message-Id: <EC61A9A2-6088-438E-B504-57452FB4FE2D@embarqmail.com>
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Jason C. Roberts wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to emboss a table in CS3?
>
> How big? A banquet table? >kish< rim shot [Try Word!]
>
> What part do you want to emboss, the rules? To make it look like type in > a series of small recessed cubbyholes?
>
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> Michael Brady
> michaelb@michaelbradydesign.com
> http://thinkinglikeadesigner.blogspot.com/
> Twitter: @typehuile
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-brady/9/936/572
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/typehuile
>
> "Thinking Like a Designer" is now available at
> https://www.createspace.com/3462255 or http://snipurl.com/z43se
>
> Attend the Communication Central conference "Finding Your > Niche/Expanding Your Horizons"
> October 1 and 2, Rochester, NY. www.communication-central.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message-Id: <a06240801c87fcbf8f948@[192.168.1.2]>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9170903@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:12:26 +0800
> From: Keith Feltham <kgf@westnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Down in Front
>
> At 6.00 pm -0400 4/8/10, Michael Brady wrote:
>>I've noticed this annoying little behavior. I'm not sure whether
>>it's some secret hush-hush setting that I haven't discovered, or
>>whether it's a UI bug.
>
> It's a new behaviour called 'Favour the Selected Object'.
>
>>If I select the rear object of two stacked objects and then click on
>>the front object that overlaps the back object (i.e., within the
>>selection of teh back object), ID will not switch and select the
>>front object. I have to click on any part of the front object that
>>extends beyond the back object. If the front object if completely
>>within the boundaries of the back object, I have to unselect the
>>back one first. That's just a grrrrr.
>
> Previously, if a rear object was selected it was difficult to move
> unless you managed to grab the centre handle. Whenever you tried to
> grab it, the frontmost object would instantly become re-selected
> instead. With the new behaviour a selected object remains selected
> for transformation until you click outside its boundary. If you want
> to reselect the front object, just Cmd-click it.
>
> I prefer the new behaviour. Thanks Adobe.
>
> Got Kuler working yet Michael?
>
> -- Keith
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Down in Front
> From: Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9171571@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:16:47 -0400
> Message-Id: <D0FDF536-AE0C-41B4-9919-8BA012683A0C@embarqmail.com>
>
> Keith
>
>> Got Kuler working yet Michael?
>
> Not yet. I've swapped emails with an Adobe tech, but he hasn't found the > problem. He thought it might have to do with PSCS5 or 4, or maybe a bad > installation of ID, but I don't have PS4 o4 5 and I did a clean install > after running the uninstaller. Twice, actually.
>
>
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> Michael Brady
> michaelb@michaelbradydesign.com
> http://thinkinglikeadesigner.blogspot.com/
> Twitter: @typehuile
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-brady/9/936/572
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/typehuile
>
> "Thinking Like a Designer" is now available at
> https://www.createspace.com/3462255 or http://snipurl.com/z43se
>
> Attend the Communication Central conference "Finding Your > Niche/Expanding Your Horizons"
> October 1 and 2, Rochester, NY. www.communication-central.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message-Id: <472C2EE4-C274-43F9-B39F-3453AFDD729A@mchsi.com>
> From: "James W. Bogart Jr." <j.bogartjr@mchsi.com>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9171145@mail2.starmark.com>
> Subject: Re: Table Embossing
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:30:01 -0500
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Michael Brady wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Jason C. Roberts wrote:
>>
>>> Is it possible to emboss a table in CS3?
>>
>> How big? A banquet table? >kish< rim shot [Try Word!]
>>
>
> Michael, you need to get the little freebie app BuhDumTsh. Put an
> alias on your desktop, and, when you're done typing a message like the
> above, double click on the alias and sit back and enjoy the sonic
> finish to a perfect communication.
>
> Now if only they made a smiley face equivalent... Somehow :^) just
> doesn't quite do it... ;^)
>
> Jim Bogart
> j.bogartjr@mchsi.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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>
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Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:19 AM
Subject: indesign Digest #638
> InDesign Talk Digest #638
>
> 1) Re: zero k fonts
> by "Bob Levine" <rjlevine@verizon.net>
> 2) Re: zero k fonts
> by Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> 3) Re: zero k fonts
> by Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> 4) Re: zero k fonts
> by Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio <frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> 5) Re: zero k fonts
> by Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> 6) Re: zero k fonts
> by Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio <frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> 7) Re: Cobbler looking for tips on how to keep his kids well-shod
> by Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> 8) Re: CS4 saving files 1st time
> by Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> 9) Re: zero k fonts
> by Bret Perry <bperry@russreid.com>
> 10) Down in Front
> by Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> 11) Table Embossing
> by "Jason C. Roberts" <shockjay@gmail.com>
> 12) Re: Table Embossing
> by Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> 13) Re: Down in Front
> by Keith Feltham <kgf@westnet.com.au>
> 14) Re: Down in Front
> by Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> 15) Re: Table Embossing
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> From: "Bob Levine" <rjlevine@verizon.net>
> In-reply-to: <list-9165935@mail2.starmark.com>
> Subject: RE: zero k fonts
> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:42:59 -0400
> Message-id: <010a01cb33d2$987479b0$c95d6d10$@net>
>
> Typical result of Windows looking at Mac font files.
>
> Two points...always use OpenType and Never send a font to anyone unless
> the
> EULA allows it. You wouldn't send them a copy of Photoshop or InDesign,
> would you?
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: InDesign Talk [mailto:indesign@lists.lassosoft.com] On Behalf Of Kat
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: InDesign Talk
> Subject: zero k fonts
>
> Earlier this year I uploaded fonts to an ftp. Client emailed me later that
> the fonts were zero k. I remembered something about not emailing fonts
> because they'd corrupt, so zipped the fonts which seemed to work.
>
> But once again I uploaded fonts to the same ftp, then checked font size,
> all
> zero k. So I zipped and uploaded and also emailed the zip to the client.
>
> Is zero fonts is a common problem, or if I upgraded my ftp program
> Transmit
> would solve my zero fonts issue?
>
> Kathleen McGuinness
>
> McGraphics Design
> Creative Design Solutions for Print and Web
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> South Pasadena, CA 91030
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> Subject: Re: zero k fonts
> From: Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9166728@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:52:08 -0700
> Message-Id: <0F2D6278-9121-436C-A16D-AC06468B57A0@mcgraphics.us>
>
> Same thing happens when I burn fonts in a packaged font folder to a DVD > using Toast. But I just downloaded the zipped fonts folder from the > client's ftp, and they are 315 k, so fonts are ok.
>
> It's weird because this only happened this last year and the fonts are > part of the indd package folder. Originally the fonts came from the > client.
>
> kat
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Marlene wrote:
>
>> Do you mean the zipped font files worked -- client was able to unzip > them and end up with functional font files? If so, just keep zippin' > 'em.
>>
>> Marlene
>>
>> On 8/3/2010 9:42 PM, Kat wrote:
>>> Earlier this year I uploaded fonts to an ftp. Client emailed me later > that the fonts were zero k. I remembered something about not emailing > fonts because they'd corrupt, so zipped the fonts which seemed to work.
>>>
>>> But once again I uploaded fonts to the same ftp, then checked font > size, all zero k. So I zipped and uploaded and also emailed the zip to > the client.
>>>
>>> Is zero fonts is a common problem, or if I upgraded my ftp program > Transmit would solve my zero fonts issue?
>>>
>>> Kathleen McGuinness
>>>
>>> McGraphics Design
>>> Creative Design Solutions for Print and Web
>>> (626) 799-2195
>>> South Pasadena, CA 91030
>>> http://www.mcgraphics.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: zero k fonts
> From: Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9166331@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:54:31 -0700
> Message-Id: <B5FC1271-72AD-4AEB-8626-E2D64CC94CCF@mcgraphics.us>
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:23 PM, arths wrote:
>
>> FTP protocol won't handle the resource forks. All you have send was > the data fork, which, for most of the fonts is 0 bytes.
>>
>> The archived fonts via mail or a torrent
> What is a torrent? Zipped fonts do work. Why can't I burn the fonts to a > DVD the way I could before last year?
> kat
>> could work better.
>>
>> Paul C.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/2010 4:42 AM, Kat wrote:
>>> Earlier this year I uploaded fonts to an ftp. Client emailed me later > that the fonts were zero k. I remembered something about not emailing > fonts because they'd corrupt, so zipped the fonts which seemed to work.
>>>
>>> But once again I uploaded fonts to the same ftp, then checked font > size, all zero k. So I zipped and uploaded and also emailed the zip to > the client.
>>>
>>> Is zero fonts is a common problem, or if I upgraded my ftp program > Transmit would solve my zero fonts issue?
>>>
>>> Kathleen McGuinness
>>>
>>> McGraphics Design
>>> Creative Design Solutions for Print and Web
>>> (626) 799-2195
>>> South Pasadena, CA 91030
>>> http://www.mcgraphics.us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:43:58 +0100
> Subject: Re: zero k fonts
> From: Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio <frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> Message-ID: <C87F575D.3ACFB%frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9169492@mail2.starmark.com>
>
> Il giorno 4-08-2010 16:54, Kat ha scritto:
>
>> What is a torrent?
> Is a kind of file sharing system.
> Not really what you need (methinks) but, in case interested, Google for
> "torrent file sharing" and check the free Transmission Mac torrent client:
> http://www.transmissionbt.com/
>
>> Zipped fonts do work. Why can't I burn the fonts to a DVD
>> the way I could before last year?
> It might depend on the DVD format you're using.
>
> While some format retains the Mac-related data (e.g. the data/resource
> fork
> structure), some format may discard it.
> With Toast, in the left bar you can choose "Mac Only" or "Mac & PC"
> formats,
> to be sure - I don't know about "DVD-ROM (UDF)".
> "ISO 9660" would almost certainly lose the Mac-specific data.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: zero k fonts
> From: Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9169686@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:56:10 -0700
> Message-Id: <1165B4D0-7F26-40C6-BF76-E1B1C0EE0063@mcgraphics.us>
>
> Thanks so much, the Toast info helps. This last round was the first time > I'd burned a DVD instead of a CD for the client. I'll check my DVD > formats when burning.
>
> Data forks, which Paul mentioned sounds right, but I'm still don't > understand why the problem uploading fonts to ftp when I've been > uploading fonts successfuly for years to the client's ftp.
>
> kat
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio wrote:
>
>> Il giorno 4-08-2010 16:54, Kat ha scritto:
>>
>>> What is a torrent?
>> Is a kind of file sharing system.
>> Not really what you need (methinks) but, in case interested, Google > for
>> "torrent file sharing" and check the free Transmission Mac torrent > client:
>> http://www.transmissionbt.com/
>>
>>> Zipped fonts do work. Why can't I burn the fonts to a DVD
>>> the way I could before last year?
>> It might depend on the DVD format you're using.
>>
>> While some format retains the Mac-related data (e.g. the data/resource > fork
>> structure), some format may discard it.
>> With Toast, in the left bar you can choose "Mac Only" or "Mac & PC" > formats,
>> to be sure - I don't know about "DVD-ROM (UDF)".
>> "ISO 9660" would almost certainly lose the Mac-specific data.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:03:20 +0100
> Subject: Re: zero k fonts
> From: Valter Viglietti - Frame Studio <frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> Message-ID: <C87F5BE7.3ACFF%frame.studio@fastwebnet.it>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9169749@mail2.starmark.com>
>
> Il giorno 4-08-2010 17:56, Kat ha scritto:
>
>> Data forks, which Paul mentioned sounds right, but I'm still don't
>> understand
>> why the problem uploading fonts to ftp when I've been uploading fonts
>> successfuly for years to the client's ftp.
>
> Maybe they changed their OS / software / platform /hosting / provider, for
> the FTP service.
>
> Some system may work differently than another (like being case-sensitive
> or
> not, or Mac-friendly or not).
> Internet systems/servers based on Mac, Windows or Linux solutions, may
> behave somehow differently, AFAIK.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Cobbler looking for tips on how to keep his kids well-shod
> From: Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9164698@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:56:22 -0700
> Message-Id: <CF22E070-210C-4DC6-9EA4-0970374389D5@mcgraphics.us>
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 10:53 AM, Michael Brady wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Jules Siegel wrote:
>>
>>> That's why I gave up on Dreamweaver and now use WordPress wherever > possible.
>>
>> I've decided to make a Design blog on my own site, which I can update > faster.
> That's a great idea. Let me know when it is up. I'd lit to see it.
> kat
>> I'll change the big site annually.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: CS4 saving files 1st time
> From: Kat <kat@mcgraphics.us>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9164220@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:00:00 -0700
> Message-Id: <E5EC1E5F-4A99-49A7-8993-9848A28D99C2@mcgraphics.us>
>
>>
>> Hi Rosie,
>> i'm using Default Folder X on my Mac to avoid this kind of problem=85
>> http://www.stclairsoft.com/DefaultFolderX/
>>
>> Have a good day
>> Christophe Dh=E9lin
>
> Me, too for DefaultFolder. I've got a list of shortcuts, but since I've > used the same DefaultFolder prefs for years most are memorized.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Bret Perry <bperry@russreid.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:30:30 -0400
> Subject: RE: zero k fonts
> Message-ID:
> <8F10B75EDEA71A4BA14AEB2B03BA46BE3BB33B8ECC@NPG-EXCH-EVS1.npg.ms>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9165935@mail2.starmark.com>
>
> Kat, just realized you are only a few miles from me! (I'm at Colorado and
> L> ake)
>
> Yep, for FTP, if it's not a .jpeg, zip it! ;-)
> Mac Truetype fonts and Mac Postscript Type 1 fonts are not suitable for
> FTP> without compressing them first.
> As mentioned, that is because they have essentially only a Resource fork,
> a> nd most FTP servers do not recognize resource forks, only see the Data
> fork> .
>
> If the FTP server DOES see resource forks (i.e. It's a Mac), then setting
> y> our FTP client to Binary might allow them ... but not likely.
> With e-mail, the e-mail client will often "zip" the files "secretly" (send
> > Windows-friendly attachments) and therefore e-mail can work better.
>
> Opentype (.otf), Windows Truetype (.TTF), Windows Truetype font
> collections> (.ttc) and all windows fonts (I think) work fine in FTP (no resource
> fork)> .
> Many of Mac's System fonts and most "new" fonts use one of these "windows"
> > formats, so they will FTP ok.
> So would a Mac .dfont (Data-fork font) -- but those are not intended for
> pr> ess.
>
> As others have commented, Mac font files burned to a cross-platform DVD/CD
> > will appear to be 0k on a Windows PC, even if the disk WAS made correctly.
> As long as it was burned cross-platform (Mac/PC) the fonts should still be
> > there and will be fine on a Mac. (But you can't copy them or do anything
> wi> th them on the Windows PC). If you use a PC-only format, older Mac fonts
> wi> ll not work.
>
> I rarely think about it, I just zip everything I am FTPing or
> e-mailing. --> except jpegs, PDFs, eps (yuk), and pure text files don't need it, but I
> zi> p 'em anyway.
> No worries then.
>
> No, an upgrade to your FTP client would not help.
> Once all your fonts are upgraded to Opentype -- that would help.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: InDesign Talk [mailto:indesign@lists.lassosoft.com] On Behalf Of Kat
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: InDesign Talk
> Subject: zero k fonts
>
> Earlier this year I uploaded fonts to an ftp. Client emailed me later that
> > the fonts were zero k. I remembered something about not emailing fonts
> beca> use they'd corrupt, so zipped the fonts which seemed to work.
>
> But once again I uploaded fonts to the same ftp, then checked font size,
> al> l zero k. So I zipped and uploaded and also emailed the zip to the
> client.>
>
> Is zero fonts is a common problem, or if I upgraded my ftp program
> Transmit> would solve my zero fonts issue?
>
> Kathleen McGuinness
>
> McGraphics Design
> Creative Design Solutions for Print and Web
> (626) 799-2195
> South Pasadena, CA 91030
> http://www.mcgraphics.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Down in Front
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 18:00:14 -0400
> Message-Id: <25B40F5E-44BE-41E5-9AA6-5946746F7BF1@embarqmail.com>
>
> No, actually, up in front!
>
> IDCS5
>
> I've noticed this annoying little behavior. I'm not sure whether it's > some secret hush-hush setting that I haven't discovered, or whether it's > a UI bug.
>
> If I select the rear object of two stacked objects and then click on the > front object that overlaps the back object (i.e., within the selection > of teh back object), ID will not switch and select the front object. I > have to click on any part of the front object that extends beyond the > back object. If the front object if completely within the boundaries of > the back object, I have to unselect the back one first. That's just a > grrrrr.
>
>
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> Michael Brady
> michaelb@michaelbradydesign.com
> http://thinkinglikeadesigner.blogspot.com/
> Twitter: @typehuile
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>
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>
> Attend the Communication Central conference "Finding Your > Niche/Expanding Your Horizons"
> October 1 and 2, Rochester, NY. www.communication-central.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message-ID:<1664372917-1280962738-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1575942413-@bda043.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
> Reply-To: shockjay@gmail.com
> Subject: Table Embossing
> From: "Jason C. Roberts" <shockjay@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:58:49 +0000
>
> Is it possible to emboss a table in CS3?
> Jason C. Roberts
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Table Embossing
> From: Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9171110@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:02:11 -0400
> Message-Id: <EC61A9A2-6088-438E-B504-57452FB4FE2D@embarqmail.com>
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Jason C. Roberts wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to emboss a table in CS3?
>
> How big? A banquet table? >kish< rim shot [Try Word!]
>
> What part do you want to emboss, the rules? To make it look like type in > a series of small recessed cubbyholes?
>
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> Michael Brady
> michaelb@michaelbradydesign.com
> http://thinkinglikeadesigner.blogspot.com/
> Twitter: @typehuile
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-brady/9/936/572
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/typehuile
>
> "Thinking Like a Designer" is now available at
> https://www.createspace.com/3462255 or http://snipurl.com/z43se
>
> Attend the Communication Central conference "Finding Your > Niche/Expanding Your Horizons"
> October 1 and 2, Rochester, NY. www.communication-central.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message-Id: <a06240801c87fcbf8f948@[192.168.1.2]>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9170903@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:12:26 +0800
> From: Keith Feltham <kgf@westnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Down in Front
>
> At 6.00 pm -0400 4/8/10, Michael Brady wrote:
>>I've noticed this annoying little behavior. I'm not sure whether
>>it's some secret hush-hush setting that I haven't discovered, or
>>whether it's a UI bug.
>
> It's a new behaviour called 'Favour the Selected Object'.
>
>>If I select the rear object of two stacked objects and then click on
>>the front object that overlaps the back object (i.e., within the
>>selection of teh back object), ID will not switch and select the
>>front object. I have to click on any part of the front object that
>>extends beyond the back object. If the front object if completely
>>within the boundaries of the back object, I have to unselect the
>>back one first. That's just a grrrrr.
>
> Previously, if a rear object was selected it was difficult to move
> unless you managed to grab the centre handle. Whenever you tried to
> grab it, the frontmost object would instantly become re-selected
> instead. With the new behaviour a selected object remains selected
> for transformation until you click outside its boundary. If you want
> to reselect the front object, just Cmd-click it.
>
> I prefer the new behaviour. Thanks Adobe.
>
> Got Kuler working yet Michael?
>
> -- Keith
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: Down in Front
> From: Michael Brady <bradydesign@embarqmail.com>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9171571@mail2.starmark.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:16:47 -0400
> Message-Id: <D0FDF536-AE0C-41B4-9919-8BA012683A0C@embarqmail.com>
>
> Keith
>
>> Got Kuler working yet Michael?
>
> Not yet. I've swapped emails with an Adobe tech, but he hasn't found the > problem. He thought it might have to do with PSCS5 or 4, or maybe a bad > installation of ID, but I don't have PS4 o4 5 and I did a clean install > after running the uninstaller. Twice, actually.
>
>
> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> Michael Brady
> michaelb@michaelbradydesign.com
> http://thinkinglikeadesigner.blogspot.com/
> Twitter: @typehuile
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-brady/9/936/572
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/typehuile
>
> "Thinking Like a Designer" is now available at
> https://www.createspace.com/3462255 or http://snipurl.com/z43se
>
> Attend the Communication Central conference "Finding Your > Niche/Expanding Your Horizons"
> October 1 and 2, Rochester, NY. www.communication-central.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message-Id: <472C2EE4-C274-43F9-B39F-3453AFDD729A@mchsi.com>
> From: "James W. Bogart Jr." <j.bogartjr@mchsi.com>
> In-Reply-To: <list-9171145@mail2.starmark.com>
> Subject: Re: Table Embossing
> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:30:01 -0500
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Michael Brady wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Jason C. Roberts wrote:
>>
>>> Is it possible to emboss a table in CS3?
>>
>> How big? A banquet table? >kish< rim shot [Try Word!]
>>
>
> Michael, you need to get the little freebie app BuhDumTsh. Put an
> alias on your desktop, and, when you're done typing a message like the
> above, double click on the alias and sit back and enjoy the sonic
> finish to a perfect communication.
>
> Now if only they made a smiley face equivalent... Somehow :^) just
> doesn't quite do it... ;^)
>
> Jim Bogart
> j.bogartjr@mchsi.com
>
>
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